Heyne: Kamuela: it’s true wordpress has a lack if abstraction layers, in it’s pattern, so each and every plugin can break everything.

Lokan: Lagory: “best” is always subjective, as in, it depends who is saying it and it only depends to them.

Tapia: Opsec: I’m just looking for a few to research more closely.

Lokan: Royal slider is one to look at.

Brunkhardt: I rephrase the question: I’m looking for slider plugins to research, please recommend me some good ones you like.

Lendrum: Lagory: I’d say that’s powerful if you’re a master developer, but unfortunately. that probably represents about 1% of WP’s ecosystem

Wariner: Opsec: Google result for wordpress royal slider – wordpress/">http://dimsemenov.com/plugins/royal-slider/wordpress/

Googe: Mess creators LatoSans lol

Westerling: Kamuela: yep. the limited quality control before letting plugins into the main repo is also an issue.

Mastropietro: To be fair I dont know if they have the resources for more of it

Weakland: Kamuela: anyways wp is successful due to the limited codebase, the lack of abstraction and the hackability for good and for bad.

Degraffenried: You guys think wordpress can adapt as-is to be a bit more robust in this way, or do you think it will take a fork or another project entirely to do it

Paronto: Well, if you’re charging by the hour Kamuela then think of allowing them to break it as job security.

Dobrosky: Kamuela: I believe there is no point in anything but recoding, and if you look at other projects with m***ive abstraction it has taken them decades to get there. So forking it is.

Kincade: Lol, true. I’m on the damned capitalist side too much though : so I think of it as eating muh prawfitz

Gutches: By the way I’ve come to this realization after seeing my first vanilla wp install in ages, realizing how clean it is before you wreck it

Kryston: Where wp looses today is the deployment and maintainance. Which is done by tech-heavy automation in other stacks.

Arocho: I have seen a few hosted WordPress services, RainMaker comes to mind, where they basically lock down everything but make it very specific in scope towards a certain niche market. From what I can see, it’s basically a WordPress Multisite.

Schuetze: LatoSans: yeah that works.

Borns: LatoSans: or just using WP as a static website generator. pushing everything into a “reverse proxy” kind of workfow.

Vanruler: LatoSans: also, imo. when time magazine uses WordPress, that is just branding, marketing and almost lies =

Oleveda: Yeah, but I have no clue why you would want to do that. I have seen some other examples, like HelloBar.

Strevell: Lots of non default config has gone into that

Tugman: My previous sentence was in reply to the reverse proxy, not Time Magazine.

Hessell: LatoSans: you want to do static printouts of html, since the WP upgrading and zero-daying is not very solid if you run wp visible from the outside.

Cepin: Right now I am trying to get better at setting up wordpress specifically as an admin tool for the DB

Crepps: I’m not 100% on exactly how things work in WP, but ultimately I’d lock to setup something where you don’t use any plugins whatsoever on the server side

Bridjmohan: Lagory, I get that part but I thought you meant for everything including the admin side. Granted, you could just develop a custom admin that interacts with WordPress‘ API like HappyTables.

Abrahamson: LatoSans: I mean hide the admin. Push the anonymous user content to proxy

Sympson: LatoSans: also. it’s better to just use the WP api for the frontend imo. Using angular, backbone or similar.

Strathy: Anon. content? You mean the static front page files like your home page? So, you basically mean cache it?

Minehart: Of course, not to mention hosting the images on a separate server.

Shivy: This is of course pertaining to high usage multisite installs.

Conninghan: It’ll be interesting to see where WordPress will be in approximately another 15-years, since that’s about how long I’ve known about it. Jeeze, I’m getting old. :