Versteegh: Cool, well, that answered that then lol. cheers
Kiewiet: You generally just include the polyfills and they do nothing if it’s a modern browser
Savory: If you want to optimize it check user agents on the server and send different js
Frid: So modernizr will check to see what i need and load the missing functionality anyway
Khanna: I haven’t used modernizer recently, so I dunno
Worman: Do you know any tutorial which will describe “modern web” development?
Linnane: And I mean basics. Tools, HTML, js libs
Sowders: By the time it’s written it’s out of date.
Sowders: Just go learn some fundamentals. ignore libs/frameworks.
Halvorsen: Kindley, are you comfortable with js?
Munz: Schaetzle: Well, I lack good practices, because in most projects js was a second cl*** citizen, however I like the language and know my ways around it.
Mallick: Siba: Thanks, googling.
Macri: The js patterns book isn’t something you need most of the time
Colantonio: It’s more of something you’d use if you were writing libraries or other abstract code
Gorn: Yeah, but it was a good insight into how js works.
Cleckler: So for application development: webpack or gulp+browserify are good tools; for the client you can use react, ember, or angular 2 once it stabilizes
Conkrite: I worked with angular a little bit and it’s a mess
Muzzey: Angular 1 is terrible
Wojtanowski: Angular 2 is “we *****ed up hard, and we’re trying to fix it”
Waggoner: I also worked with knockout a bit and I liked it. Simple and powerfull tool
Fraleigh: I’ve checked out browserify – very nice thing
Brooks: Knockout is good for small things; I never figured out how to scale it, though
Manlangit: That’s what my buddy told me – give it up if you don’t know the scale, because at some point it will become a mess
Selvey: React is great; it’s what I use currently, but it’s only good for when you need very custom apps
Kment: Yes Kindley I second looking at how people are using Webpack
Kment: I’m behind the times with it too
Fellon: However, thing I’m gonna write now is rather small and simple
Sorman: Ember or angular 2 are for apps where development speed is more important than control
Gerbatz: So I want to keep my js stack as simple as possible
Kment: What are your data sources Wizard
Demeglio: This is gonna be an electron app, so disk files
Otega: Kindley, I’d recommend using react; not so much because it’s the best tool for small/simple projects, but because you’ll learn a lot from it
Creselious: I’ve heard bad things about react
Crowley: Ah, no, it was about backbone
Romack: And actually I’ve heard good things about react
Flitt: Sorry, it’s so much of that crap out there that I’m kinda lost
Jardell: Can I check crypto using caniuse?
Kment: You went from kicking me in the shin to kicking me in the nuts
Brounson: Backbone is odd. I can’t imagine people saying good or bad things about it because it’s so simple
Kment: What’s wrong with backbone?
Joice: I would like to know which browser versions support window.crypto